Baseball Scandals– The Outcome of the Game

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Barry Bonds could be facing two years in prison, and everyone is talking about it, and other baseball scandals in the past. Here are my takes on some of baseball’s most infamous scandals: 
Steroids Users and Abusers:
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Ever since Jose Canseco came out with that book accusing many beloved players around the league of abusing steroids, it has remained one of the most talked about topics in baseball. Then the Mitchell Report came out and many more players were accused. I cannot respect anyone who uses steroids– I can’t respect someone who doesn’t respect the game. They are setting a bad example for the future stars of baseball, and they are ruining the beauty of the game. 
Cheating is cheating and if players use steroids, then they have an unfair advantage over other naturally talented players. They still have to be able to hit the ball, but they sure can hit it harder. I do not think that the Hall of Fame should be an option for those players that used steroids, and I do not think that some of their records should stand. I believe that Barry Bonds is guilty [don't hate me Steven!!], so I still consider Hank Aaron to be the home run king. 
The problem is that steroids affect the outcome of the game in an unethical way. I just want the game to be clean, and played with pure, natural talent. 
Pete Rose:
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Pete Rose has been ineligible for Hall of Fame eligibility because he bet on games while he was a manger. From the stories that I’ve heard and the videos that I’ve watched, Pete Rose played the game like no other. He did not cheat, he did not do anything TO the game of baseball. Betting on the game does not affect the outcome– steroids do. I don’t think gambling is the most ethical thing a person can do, and I do not condone it in any way, but I do not think that Pete Rose should be banned from the Hall of Fame because he bet on his team– he deserves to be there. He has been punished long enough. 
1919 ‘Black Sox’ Scandal:
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Everyone knows what happened. The eight players that were paid to throw the 1919 against the Cincinnati Red Stockings. This affected the outcome of the World Series because it was not just betting on winning or losing, it was paying people to specifically throw games. Shoeless Joe Jackson did accept the money, but he did not throw the series. .375 is not throwing a series, it is doing what Alex Rodriguez wishes he could do in the post season. Some of the players should be ineligible to be in the HOF, but Shoeless Joe Jackson did not throw the series. He played exactly how he was supposed to play. 
Daily Dosage of Baseball
Thankfully today’s daily dosage was not as tragic as yesterday’s. I was not harassed (yes I was), but at least I didn’t have to talk about Babe Ruth. I did get a ‘Hey Elizabeth, guess what? The Red Sox suck!’, but that was it. 
I went to the library to look for Ken Burns’ ‘Baseball’ because I would like to use it for my research paper. Unfortunately I could not find it, so my friend and I went downstairs and asked the front desk. They could not find it either, but the guy at the front was happy that my friend and I have taken an interest in baseball at “such a young age”. 
Then we went to Mr. Gedeon (in yesterday’s Daily Dosage) and he and I talked about more baseball. I told him that the Mets had personally offended me because of 1986. He also mentioned how relieved he was that Ben Sheets would not be joining the Mets because of that ridiculous elbow surgery. 
The Free Agent Files
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Like Jen, I do not understand why Sheets is having surgery now, when he could’ve had it in October or November. Was he planning telling his suitors that he would be needing elbow surgery after all of his claims that he was healthy? Well, we won’t be seeing Sheets until July or August. 
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Instead of talking about Manny Ramirez, how about Bobby Abreu? Where could he be going? He would be a nice addition to the Braves, but I think that they would be smarter to go with younger talent like Nick Swisher. I think he and Adam Dunn are in similar positions right now. Where do you think Abreu will go? 
What do you think about these HOF potentials? 
-Elizabeth

21 Comments

I agree with you Elizabeth. Steroids are terrible for the game and show no respect for the game or for the young players just entering the game. I think it is impossible to officially take away records though because it would be too difficult to work out which home runs to disallow. Because the fact is Bonds would have hit a lot home runs without steroids it is just unclear how many home runs were affected by steroid use, so as it stands he officially holds the record. However I think it is completely acceptable for people to decided that he is not “their home run champion” if you know what I mean.
Melissa
clemsongirlbaseball.mlblogs.com

Elizabeth – I agree with you (Sorry Steven – I know we debated this earlier on your blog! :-) ) If Barry is found guilty that he should not be eligible for the HOF. I’m older then you – and I saw Pete Rose play. He belongs in the HOF. He NEVER bet again his team – and he NEVER did is while he was a player. So to me, his record as a player in intact. And please, don’t get me started in the ’86 Mets series! Talk about you bad memories!

Julia
http://werbiefitz.mlblogs.com/

As much as I’d like to get Abreu (especially at the low price he’ll probably get!) for the D-Backs, we have enough outfielders. We could use someone like him, though. I think the Giants should sign him; they could manage to get a pretty good team together. All they need is some hitting and some way to fix Zito. Then they’d have the next Big Three (Lincecum, Zito, Johnson) and some run support, all of them would get 15 wins and they would win the world series.
The Angels now do not have Texiera, and while Abreu plays a different position, is every bit as good of a hitter. He gets 100 RBIs almost every season. He can deal with the pressure, also. The Mets need outfielders. Since they don’t want Manny (and that’s who everyone’s waiting for to sign
) then they should just get him!
http://imbringingdiamondback.mlblogs.com

Hey there, found your blog just cruising around MLBlogs and think it’s cool that you’re proud to be part of Red Sox Nation in Southern Florida.

I pretty much agree with your takes on some of baseball’s past scandals. I don’t know if we’ll ever know for sure just how many players used steroids during their careers, and I’d be willing to bet a few will get into the Hall. However, I don’t think the most infamous (McGwire, Sosa and Palmeiro) will ever make it. And it’ll be interesting to see if Bonds makes it after this trial (definitely not if he’s found guilty, of course).
I guess we’ll find out five years after he retires. It’s a shame too, because he and McGwire were probably Hall of Famers without the steroids.

http://nationalshighcheese.mlblogs.com/

Melissa: I know exactly what you mean. We can’t ignore all the numbers but we can as a whole because many of the home runs came because of steroids.

Julia: My dad loved Pete Rose, and he was devastated when he found out about the whole scandal. If you don’t like 1986, then you would hate my school– that’s all anyone ever talks about that series…

Caroline: I see your point about the Mets and Angels. It’s a cheaper option compared to Ramirez and they need people like Abreu.

Southpaw: It truly is a shame that they will be remembered for the bad parts of their career than what could have been the good parts.

-Elizabeth

Rose should be in the hall of fame. He bet as a manager and not a player.

Bob- http://bostonsports.mlblogs.com/

Bob: Yeah and never on his team to lose.

-Elizabeth

We have NO evidence that he did not bet on his team to lose and thats an unfortunate thing about lying you don’t believe people. Rose lied for years and years and then people are not supposed to at least question if he bet on his team to lose? Nobody can bring proof to show as a manager he wasn’t rigging games to pay a debt back. What he did is just as bad as steroids because it compromised the integrity of the game and we don’t even know to what extent.
tom
http://rockymountainway.mlblogs.com

Tommy: Pete wrote a book a few years ago about it. I mean, we don’t know if he was completely honest but he did come clean to an extent. He has a bar here in FL. I’m going to find it and find him.

-Elizabeth

While I am certainly no fan of Barry Bonds, there is also no real proof that he ever took illegal steroids. It’s the same with most of the players in the Mitchell Report, all of the evidence is based on the testimony of Kirk Radomski and Brian McNamee, not exactly credible witnesses. I would hate to see these guys’ reputations damaged if they really are innocent.

I don’t think Bonds or any of the other suspected juicers should get automatic consideration for the Hall, though. They should either have to prove that they were clean, or agree to have an asterisk next to their names and all of their records.
-Erin
http://plunking-gomez.mlblogs.com

Elizabeth- One of the most difficult things about Bonds is that his numbers before PEDs were great, and had he not chosen to do steroids, there was probably a great chance he would’ve made it into the HOF. Actually, I’ve been meaning to read Vindicated, I think it looks like a great book. While it’s pretty much impossible to choose the lesser of two evils, the one sure thing is that steroids and betting make a mockery and embarrassment of the game of baseball.
Emily
http://deconstructingthoughts.mlblogs.com/

I am one of the biggest supporters of Shoeless Joe Jackson, and he might be linked to a scandal, but then his ball playing skills have never been called into question. I truly feel that if he had been able to continue to play Baseball, he would have been a first ballot inductee into the Baseball Hall of Fame. But fate took his name and cast it to the wind for eons of opinions and speculations since 1919.

I have a copy of the appeal by former Red Sox Ted Williams and Cleveland fire baller Bob Feller asking the commissioner to pardon Jackson so he could go into the Hall of Fame. I know his career did not span the test of time, but I would put his numbers up in the total time he played against Ty Cobb and Hank Greenberg, the titans of that time.

Great blog, stay with it, you will have a nice future in writing if you keep getting pieces like this up for all of us to enjoy.

Rays Renegade

http://raysrenegade.mlblogs.com

it’s so sad that players from Mark McGuire to Barry Bonds to Roger Clemens have been accused of steroid use and thus their roles in baseball have been tainted and their chances in the HOF have all but been ruined

these times have been as scandalous as the Black Sox incident.. hopefully these issues are gone, and baseball can continue its long tradition without being any more soiled

Hey, thanks for the comments on Pete Rose! He was my fav as a kid and it is SO wrong what they have done to him. Gambling, on his own team, while managing, had NOTHING to do with him as a player. Such a shame!
Anyway, as for Spring Training, I checked a map and Clearwater is 2 1/2 hours from where you will be :O( Sorry we can’t get together! The furthest I am going for a game is Bradenton, which is about an hour. I can’t even stand to be in a car that long! Well, do have fun!!! We can both report back with our adventures :O)

Jenn
http://philliesphollowers.mlblogs.com/

Erin: You’re right– innocent until proven guilty is a cornerstone of the American law system. If Bonds can prove himself clean (which I don’t think that he can) then of course he can be in the HOF. If not, perhaps his numbers need to be ignored. If we can ignore the numbers of Pete Rose and Joe Jackson, then why can’t we ignore Bonds’?

Emily: You’re right that we can’t just ignore the numbers because he was so good before. But like I said before, it would be unjust to give steroids abusers free passes to the HOF while we still ban Jackson and Rose. I know betting is terrible, but it doesn’t affect the outcome of the game like steroids do.

Levelboss: I agree, it is like the Black Sox Scandal. It’s heart breaking to see players that we love “vindicated”. Just like it was heart breaking for Chicago fans when they found out in 1921 about the scandal.

Jenn: Exactly, and it doesn’t affect the outcome of the game either! Sorry we won’t be able to see each other, but we will definitely have a blast sharing pictures and stories.

-Elizabeth

I guess you wrote this before A-Rod today?????? Little did you know, right?

http://janeheller.mlblogs.com

wow, Elizabeth, you wrote your entry right before the news about A-Rod.. when i read about the news this morning i was thinking about what i commented on last night for this entry – that “[reputations] in baseball have been tainted and [players'] chances in the HOF have all but been ruined”

i also commented that “hopefully these issues are gone, and baseball can continue its long tradition without being any more soiled” – how ironic huh?

I cannot fathom why players such as Bonds or A-Rod, who obviously have incredible talent to begin with, feel the need to “enhance” their performance. In my opinion, it detracts from the integrity of the game. I also consider Bonds’ record tainted, and I loved it when the record-setting ball was branded with the asterisk! Wonder if it will ever get displayed by the HOF?
Sue
Rants, Raves, and Random Thoughts

Jane: Yeah, and when I turned on the TV I was like… come on, I JUST wrote a blog about this!

Levelboss: I know right… I had no idea.

Mrsmudboy: I agree with you, it ruins the integrity of the game, and it is unfathomable.

-Elizabeth

Elizabeth,
I look forward to reading your blog, but I disagree with something you said in your Pete Rose section. You said that “betting on the game does not affect the outcome.” Ordinarily, you would be right, but Rose was a player/manager at the time and he was betting on his own team. He could very easily have made substitutions to affect the outcome of the game. Some would argue that Rose only played to win and, when he was a player, I would agree. But as a manager, with the potential of big money, Rose had the power to alter the course of the game. For this, he was banned for life.

Jacobyluvr: I completely understand what you’re saying. It’s impossible to know either way. I want to read his book sometime and interview him.

-Elizabeth

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